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Response To Tiny House Listings’ Tiny House Insurance Post

A while ago I did a post on the topic of Tiny House insurance, which you can read here. I have not forgot about that article and have been doing a lot of thinking around it as of late.  Then I saw the wonderful post done by Laura Moreland over at Tiny House Listings and in the end she said that she hoped to start the conversation.  So I thought it would be fun to do a response to her post!

Like Laura, I am not an insurance expert, so there is a lot to learn about the field, but I’ve done a good bit of research on this and I certainly know tiny houses, so take it for what it is worth.

One thing that Laura pointed out, as I did in my last post, was that there isn’t a real viable option for insuring tiny houses.  I have had a rare few tell me they were able to get insurance through a traditional insurance company by doing this or that.  Regardless of how the did it or arranged it, I’ll be honest, I don’t trust it.  I think if those few folks had to make a major claim they’d never see a dime; I say that not to be ugly, but to make the point that insurance companies will take one look at the tiny house, realize that they should have never said yes to it in the first place and then find a way out of paying.

The one point of contention I will take up with Laura’s post is her logic on how much a tiny house should cost to insure.  She stated

In terms of my home [900 square feet], I pay roughly $800 for insurance a year for the house and contents. It stands to reason then that I would expect to pay $200 a year to insure THO because as it stands, it is roughly ¼ of the value.

The point is a fair one in some respects, but I thought I’d propose an alternative line of thought:Insurance companies work on the premise of risk management, to be viable you must take in more money than you would expect to pay out.   They operate on the assumption that if they can have a pool of people, that only a certain percentage of them will make a claim.  In an ideal world you’d have a large pool of people who are very unlikely to submit a claim.

So essentially when you have a person you want to insure you must be able to determine the risk that insuring that person brings, meaning the likely hood they will submit a claim, how often and for how much.  The higher the risk, the higher the cost of the insurance.  Insurance companies determine this risk by developing actuarial tables that will predict the likelihood that someone will make a claim.  It’s a pretty complex process and based off of really big data sets.  The complexity and level of detail that goes into this means that insurance costs vary wildly from location to location, as well as on a ton of other variables.

So the line of thought I’d propose on price is that the cost of insurance for a tiny house should not be based off of value solely, but that of the assumed risk and that you should be collecting more money than you pay out.  I think many insurance professionals would agree with this statement.  So the question now is, how much risk does a tiny house bring?  I think if we were honest about it, the answer is a lot.  It is after all why traditional insurance companies won’t insure us, because we are too risky of a proposition.

So while the cost of a tiny house is much less, the risk is much higher.  So the costs to insure it will still be pretty high.

This isn’t what a lot of people want to here, but I have a few solutions to this that could help make swallowing this pill a bit easier, but also help keep tiny house insurance premiums lower.  The two things we’d want to achieve is to minimize risks so that the group as a whole can cover their members appropriately while being able to ensure stability for the future; second we want to weed out potential bad apples that will abuse, extort or try to game the good intentions of insuring tiny houses.

Be Transparent

I am a true believer that you need to be honest in your dealings with people and when it comes to someone’s home, there is few 44262008807272831LfIY43STcthings in this world that we care about more (of course the people matter more).  So the mantra trust, but verify is key here.  We need to build a system that is very transparent because we need to earn the trust of our members.

However we choose to structure this, we need to be crystal clear about it.  Even though I propose a non profit model, even though it should be transparent, even though this project would have the best intentions, there are some realities and decisions about those realities that will need to be made.  Things like the points I propose below are good examples.  So we need to be practical, but we also need to be really clear up front and make sure people can easily understand the minimal fine print.  If we can do that, then people can make informed decisions about if they want to join or not.  If I have learned anything from blogging it is, be honest about who you are and what you stand for and own it.

Enact standards

In order ensure that the tiny houses that are insured aren’t poorly built, we need to develop some sort of standard.  The idea being that since tiny houses are often DIY affairs, you need to be sure people aren’t making honest mistakes that could have dangerous consequences.  I don’t think this would have to be a huge set of standards, but there are some key areas of focus that we could advise on which would address safety and structural issues.

Now many people will not like to hear me proposing what amounts to building codes, but I think that if we don’t do it ourselves, someone else will at some point; I think we’d rather help determine the direction than a profiteer or politician.  Next is that these should be accessible, meaning free and easy to understand.  The should also be community driven and reviewed, meaning that people from our community help steer this process, then open it up for feedback from the rest of the community.  It should also be used a teaching tool, not as a way to penalize people; the goal should be to empower first time builders and ensure safety.

High deductible policy and diminishing rates

To help reduce the cost of plan, I think we should have it designed in a way that people only make claims on major damage and total loss.  If you break a $80 window, it shouldn’t be a claim, because small claims will lead to the insurance fund getting nickled and dimed out of existence; we need to balance being their for people in times of needs and being sure that we can stick around as that protection for tiny house people for the long term.

So to achieve this I propose a high deductible, a level TBD and one that could be lowered as the co-op grows to have more members, which will have people in the insurance co-op will handle small things on their own, but sleep well at night knowing that if their house burns down, we are there for you.  The other thing we can do is to encourage people who don’t have any claims by reducing their monthly rate after a certain period of time.  So if you have been with the insurance co-op for a few years, your monthly bill will be negligible; this will encourage people to stick with the co-op long term, but also only make a claim when it is really needed.  I will also propose an unpopular point here, if you make a claim, your rates will return to normal rates for a pre-determined period; this too will help people make claims on only big things.

Trust, But Verify

With dealing with new members to the co-op I think you should always be trusting, but being that this would be a non profit (meaning for the public good) and that existing members are entrusting you to make decisions for the group to ensure that their tiny houses are protected, you need to do your due diligence  on vetting new members and ensuring claims are legitimate.  Again, this won’t be a popular point, but if I am going to say to someone, I got your back if things take a turn for the worst, If I’m going to say I am here for you, I mean it.  So again, I think if I am transparent about the process, that it will include checks and what those checks are, then you can make an informed decision to join or not.

Okay this turned out to be a lengthy post, I had to gloss over a lot, but here are some of the ideas I wanted to put out there for the conversation.

 

What Office?

What is the best way to create a low impact office? To not have one! I have found several people that have done just that.

First lets meet Isobella Jade. She is a the new face of modeling: model, marketer, promoter, manager, make up artist all in one.   She has used the Apple store in NYC to write an entire memoir from start to finish. She setup and launched her own website, blog, and online portfolio by using the computers in the Apple store for free! Here is a video about her life as a the 5’ 4” model / entrepreneur.
The Underdog

To find out more about how she works in the Apple store here is a great interview with her from Mental_Floss

Out next person is Nicholi. He is 12. What on earth does a 12 year old need an office for? Funny you should ask. Nicholi has shot numerous youtube videos right in the Apple store with their computers. He doesn’t own his own computer so he was forced to spread his creativeness through creative means. What is more impressive is that his videos and story ended up getting him spots on TV.

There are some of you out there that are asking, well I don’t live in NYC or near an apple store. Well you are not alone. David Lee King blogs about Libraries (I love how on the internet you can find people jazzed up about everything!) . In his post he discusses how Libraries are becoming the new office. With computers, wifi, fax machines, copy machines and a slew of research materials its no wonder these are hot spots for entrepreneurs. You don’t have to pay for lighting, heating, cooling. You don’t have to take time to clean the bathrooms, fix a leaky roof, etc.

Today libraries have come a long way. Many of them have conference rooms, food and coffee shops. Public transportation almost always has a stop at the libraries. The down side is that you have to walk outside to use the phone, but I will tell you that more and more things are just going to email; I rarely pick up the phone.   In addition to entrepreneurs using libraries, homeless use these resources to find jobs, find information about services for poor and homeless, stay in contact with family and friends.

coop office

Finally you have you shared office space Co-op’s which are basically non-profit business that have space, resources, materials, and sometimes a secretary for patrons. Co Work Chicago is a rental office, where individuals will rent a desk and work along side of others who just need office space. They each run their own business, but from the same space. A few times a week they all sit down for lunch, which is locally sourced. Rates run $20 per day, $90 per week and $300 a month, not bad! Their services are “T-1 Internet Connection, Kitchen & Bathroom, Furnished with Desk, Security Camera, Office Dog (included), Close to CTA & Downtown, Flexible Lease, and Most Importantly Good People. “
Check out this great article about it and their website.